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	<title>Comments on: It Takes A Long Time For Change To Happen Quickly</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by, Peter, and for your kind words.

&lt;i&gt;Enterprise 2.0 can work, provided it captures and exploits the differential in people’s understanding of the same objectives or tasks.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes.  

I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d use the phrase &lt;i&gt;&quot;capture and exploit&quot;&lt;/i&gt;, though that might be the precise term to use ... I&#039;d probably say something like &lt;i&gt;&quot;makes visible and actionable&quot;&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by, Peter, and for your kind words.</p>
<p><i>Enterprise 2.0 can work, provided it captures and exploits the differential in people’s understanding of the same objectives or tasks.</i></p>
<p>Yes.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d use the phrase <i>&#8220;capture and exploit&#8221;</i>, though that might be the precise term to use &#8230; I&#8217;d probably say something like <i>&#8220;makes visible and actionable&#8221;</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Vlant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Vlant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intriguing discourse. Our experience in working with organisations large and small, private and public is beautifully epressed by Mr Husband &quot;most “knowledge” interacts with other useful “knowledge”&quot;. We are not scholars but do sponsor academic research in Australian universities plus we take a very hands on approach to understanding organisations. Then we  work with executives and managers to create a positive change in performance, supported by software which directly fits the interaction between the various stakeholders.

Early on, we made the grievous error of allowing two organisations to convince us that their &quot;step-by-step&quot; process had to be implemented in our software. Six months later each of them told us to undo that change.

Enterprise 2.0 can work, provided it captures and exploits the differential in people&#039;s understanding of the same objectives or tasks. It is quite difficult to make &quot;analysis, interpretation, conversation, negotiation, persuasion, exploration&quot; have an influence on measurable outcomes. But that is the precise framework we need Enterprise 2.0 vendors to create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intriguing discourse. Our experience in working with organisations large and small, private and public is beautifully epressed by Mr Husband &#8220;most “knowledge” interacts with other useful “knowledge”&#8221;. We are not scholars but do sponsor academic research in Australian universities plus we take a very hands on approach to understanding organisations. Then we  work with executives and managers to create a positive change in performance, supported by software which directly fits the interaction between the various stakeholders.</p>
<p>Early on, we made the grievous error of allowing two organisations to convince us that their &#8220;step-by-step&#8221; process had to be implemented in our software. Six months later each of them told us to undo that change.</p>
<p>Enterprise 2.0 can work, provided it captures and exploits the differential in people&#8217;s understanding of the same objectives or tasks. It is quite difficult to make &#8220;analysis, interpretation, conversation, negotiation, persuasion, exploration&#8221; have an influence on measurable outcomes. But that is the precise framework we need Enterprise 2.0 vendors to create.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Some work … much of it encoded in ERP and CRM systems) are still more or less step-by-step tasks with information at the end of the shovel, pick, wrench or soldering machine.&lt;/i&gt;

Here I meant &lt;i&gt;&quot;shovel, pick, wrench or soldering machine&quot;&lt;/i&gt; metaphorically .. we do things now with computers, to information, like &quot;dig, pick, manipulate, tighten up, stitch or bolt together, and weld or solder or seam (integrate)&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Some work … much of it encoded in ERP and CRM systems) are still more or less step-by-step tasks with information at the end of the shovel, pick, wrench or soldering machine.</i></p>
<p>Here I meant <i>&#8220;shovel, pick, wrench or soldering machine&#8221;</i> metaphorically .. we do things now with computers, to information, like &#8220;dig, pick, manipulate, tighten up, stitch or bolt together, and weld or solder or seam (integrate)&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, I think you&#039;re right .. that the quote is from Charles Handy, and I think it&#039;s probably from The Elephant and The Flea.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised whatsoever, as Handy has been one of the key (if not the main) inspirations in my professional life ever since his early book Understanding Organizations, which was a constant companion of mine during my career with Hay Management Consultants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, I think you&#8217;re right .. that the quote is from Charles Handy, and I think it&#8217;s probably from The Elephant and The Flea.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised whatsoever, as Handy has been one of the key (if not the main) inspirations in my professional life ever since his early book Understanding Organizations, which was a constant companion of mine during my career with Hay Management Consultants</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree ... and as you know I am hardly the first person to compare and contrast the assumptions and principles of Taylor&#039;s work with the potential and / or probable impacts of networks and their dynamics on business models or organizational structures.

What I have always found interesting (in a quirky sense, because it&#039;s one of the dryest subjects I know) is the deep penetration of Taylorism into the design (and now unconscious assumptions about) of how work &quot;works&quot; and should be thought of and designed.  There&#039;s a deep aridity (or complete lack of acknowledgment) in Taylorism about connections, interconnections and interactivity, flows of information, as its core purpose is to separate and sequence for the purposes of predictability, replicability and ever-more kaizen-ish control.

Most people think of &quot;jobs&quot; as reasonably stable sets of tasks around a given objectives-driven focus ... but looked at with different, more network-conscious assumptions the design of jobs, work and the most effective organizational structures for work would likely be quite different .. for example, I think most &quot;knowledge&quot; inbteracts with other useful &quot;knowledge&quot; more horizontally than it does vertically (or differently than org charts suggest - as we already know from the growing body of knowledge about SNA).

Some work ... much of it encoded in ERP and CRM systems) are still more or less step-by-step tasks with information at the end of the shovel, pick, wrench or soldering machine.  The other &quot;work&quot; much of us do ... analysis, interpretation, conversation, negotiation, persuasion, exploration ... has very little to do with supervisable separable sequentiable optimizable tasks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8230; and as you know I am hardly the first person to compare and contrast the assumptions and principles of Taylor&#8217;s work with the potential and / or probable impacts of networks and their dynamics on business models or organizational structures.</p>
<p>What I have always found interesting (in a quirky sense, because it&#8217;s one of the dryest subjects I know) is the deep penetration of Taylorism into the design (and now unconscious assumptions about) of how work &#8220;works&#8221; and should be thought of and designed.  There&#8217;s a deep aridity (or complete lack of acknowledgment) in Taylorism about connections, interconnections and interactivity, flows of information, as its core purpose is to separate and sequence for the purposes of predictability, replicability and ever-more kaizen-ish control.</p>
<p>Most people think of &#8220;jobs&#8221; as reasonably stable sets of tasks around a given objectives-driven focus &#8230; but looked at with different, more network-conscious assumptions the design of jobs, work and the most effective organizational structures for work would likely be quite different .. for example, I think most &#8220;knowledge&#8221; inbteracts with other useful &#8220;knowledge&#8221; more horizontally than it does vertically (or differently than org charts suggest &#8211; as we already know from the growing body of knowledge about SNA).</p>
<p>Some work &#8230; much of it encoded in ERP and CRM systems) are still more or less step-by-step tasks with information at the end of the shovel, pick, wrench or soldering machine.  The other &#8220;work&#8221; much of us do &#8230; analysis, interpretation, conversation, negotiation, persuasion, exploration &#8230; has very little to do with supervisable separable sequentiable optimizable tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry O'Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry O'Gorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments around resistance to enterprise 2.0 - or perhaps resistance to admitting enterprise 2.0 is happening - ring true in my own experience.  It&#039;s not just with enterprise 2.0 that middle and senior management have a problem: having &#039;served their time&#039; they do not willinglingly vote themselves out of existence.  

The reference to &quot;we tend to overestimate the impacts in the short term...&#039; reminds me of some of the writing of Charles Handy (&#039;the elepohant and the flea&#039;).  We should not lose signt fo the fact that society has succeeded in taking on board significant change previously e.g. arrival of telephone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments around resistance to enterprise 2.0 &#8211; or perhaps resistance to admitting enterprise 2.0 is happening &#8211; ring true in my own experience.  It&#8217;s not just with enterprise 2.0 that middle and senior management have a problem: having &#8217;served their time&#8217; they do not willinglingly vote themselves out of existence.  </p>
<p>The reference to &#8220;we tend to overestimate the impacts in the short term&#8230;&#8217; reminds me of some of the writing of Charles Handy (&#8217;the elepohant and the flea&#8217;).  We should not lose signt fo the fact that society has succeeded in taking on board significant change previously e.g. arrival of telephone</p>
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		<title>By: tom matrullo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom matrullo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems a very essential opposition to lay out, Jon - setting aside what exactly is on offer in Shirkey&#039;s stimulating discussion of what he calls &quot;cognition,&quot; there is without doubt an enormous resistance in the name of efficiency, productivity, organizational power et al to anything that attempts to split productivity from the appearance of productivity - all the repetitious and rote signs made by the worker that convince the employer that she&#039;s &quot;doing her job.&quot; Perhaps we&#039;ll see some evidence of that in resistance to Clay&#039;s promising vision of mice at play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems a very essential opposition to lay out, Jon &#8211; setting aside what exactly is on offer in Shirkey&#8217;s stimulating discussion of what he calls &#8220;cognition,&#8221; there is without doubt an enormous resistance in the name of efficiency, productivity, organizational power et al to anything that attempts to split productivity from the appearance of productivity &#8211; all the repetitious and rote signs made by the worker that convince the employer that she&#8217;s &#8220;doing her job.&#8221; Perhaps we&#8217;ll see some evidence of that in resistance to Clay&#8217;s promising vision of mice at play.</p>
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