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		<title>By: Paula Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/09/08/embracing-creative-dissonance/comment-page-1/#comment-242055</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura: The shutting down of the conversation led to not being able to discuss or clarify the situation. You jumped to conclusions over an accurate historical scenario that was fresh on my mind because it had been the focus of conversation in a class I&#039;d taught that morning. The context of the historical story is very much like the situation that BAs face today.

Indeed, the work that the UX team did at EDS was completely redundant to the BA team&#039;s efforts. I evolved my work to UX from a focus on BA types of activities.

Doug: I don&#039;t like to waste my time. I joined the conversation with a specific desire to offer some insights that might be useful. It appears that there are &#039;filters&#039; being applied to what I am attempting to share that prevent an understanding.

I&#039;ve found that many are not prepared to pay attention unless they&#039;re pushed off center. That&#039;s why I&#039;ve learned to use the approach. But I&#039;m also used to engaging in mature ways, that allow for deeper understanding to evolve over time. If you feel threatened, say so...we discuss it, as we are doing here (only possible because I gave &#039;place&#039; for this to happen -- again reinforcing my point).

The point is, it doesn&#039;t matter where we are or what our perspectives are. If we don&#039;t discuss it, we will not add to our understanding.

We don&#039;t have to agree, but I&#039;ve found that my most profound discoveries are in the points of friction. But I have to be willing to step away from my own barriers to see the possibilities to consider and dig for any possible truths in what is being said. Finding common ground takes effort. I did not walk away from the conversation. I was still willing to find common ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura: The shutting down of the conversation led to not being able to discuss or clarify the situation. You jumped to conclusions over an accurate historical scenario that was fresh on my mind because it had been the focus of conversation in a class I&#8217;d taught that morning. The context of the historical story is very much like the situation that BAs face today.</p>
<p>Indeed, the work that the UX team did at EDS was completely redundant to the BA team&#8217;s efforts. I evolved my work to UX from a focus on BA types of activities.</p>
<p>Doug: I don&#8217;t like to waste my time. I joined the conversation with a specific desire to offer some insights that might be useful. It appears that there are &#8216;filters&#8217; being applied to what I am attempting to share that prevent an understanding.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that many are not prepared to pay attention unless they&#8217;re pushed off center. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve learned to use the approach. But I&#8217;m also used to engaging in mature ways, that allow for deeper understanding to evolve over time. If you feel threatened, say so&#8230;we discuss it, as we are doing here (only possible because I gave &#8216;place&#8217; for this to happen &#8212; again reinforcing my point).</p>
<p>The point is, it doesn&#8217;t matter where we are or what our perspectives are. If we don&#8217;t discuss it, we will not add to our understanding.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have to agree, but I&#8217;ve found that my most profound discoveries are in the points of friction. But I have to be willing to step away from my own barriers to see the possibilities to consider and dig for any possible truths in what is being said. Finding common ground takes effort. I did not walk away from the conversation. I was still willing to find common ground.</p>
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		<title>By: DougGtheBA</title>
		<link>http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/09/08/embracing-creative-dissonance/comment-page-1/#comment-242046</link>
		<dc:creator>DougGtheBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula:

From the perspective of an observer in the aforementioned conversation, perhaps it&#039;s not the message you are delivering but the messenger. What I saw in that conversation was someone who no one knows stepping up and telling everyone else that they were essentially idiots for doing the same thing again and again...which does not work. It might have been possible that the audience you are addressing might not agree with that heavy-handed description. Additionally, this person, who happened to be Paula, after insulting everyone there, proceeded to contradict herself with her own statements and could offer no evidence to back her claims, nor offer any better alternatives in an intelligible dialog. She did manage to equate herself with a prophet though.

You guys may have had this script reviewed and memorized during your last analyst sacrifice to the E2 gods, but in our humble world, we&#039;re a bit more diplomatic when spewing diatribe. We have an opinion to share, but before we do so we actually do some research and have it available to refer to for others to learn from. We listen to others&#039; points of view and offer questions and rebuttal opinions. We don&#039;t insult our peers, but offer respect for their views. We work off each others&#039; expertise to craft new solutions to problems that we recognize exist.

I really don&#039;t think that any one of us, had we been engaged in a rational conversation, would have told you that everything we deal with is rock solid and works. That&#039;s why we have the interaction that we do. Problems are anywhere one seeks to find them, but it&#039;s something that we work to resolve as we go along. Just because you have decided to jump from the bridge and find that a reasonable solution to your problems doesn&#039;t make it a justifiable fix for the rest of us. We just might happen to find value in what we do and maybe in the 20 years since you read your &quot;come to Jesus&quot; paper that no one but you knows anything about and you gave up on what you were doing.....just maybe we&#039;ve made some advances that work.

The fact is, though, that we weren&#039;t in a rational conversation. Paula, when you alienate everyone around you with your approach and come across strong arming us little stupid people, why would anyone want to listen to you? I&#039;ll bet that you have some very valuable thoughts that any of us would have enjoyed hearing, but your delivery is atrocious. Laura is NOT someone that goes around shutting people up, but I can tell you that this particular conversation was over long before she shut it down, but the dialog was strained and VERY strange. She has an obligation to protect her own  domain and to ensure that conversation is reasonably professional. I&#039;m not trying to be rude...really, but if you want to be heard, you can&#039;t come across as someone that just escaped from an asylum. 

You might work on your tact, collaboration and professional communication skills going forward. As a backwards-ass traditional analyst, those are part of the basic soft-skill analyst capabilities that I can see you have truly forgotten in your quest to become greater than the rest of us, which is sad because your message is then lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula:</p>
<p>From the perspective of an observer in the aforementioned conversation, perhaps it&#8217;s not the message you are delivering but the messenger. What I saw in that conversation was someone who no one knows stepping up and telling everyone else that they were essentially idiots for doing the same thing again and again&#8230;which does not work. It might have been possible that the audience you are addressing might not agree with that heavy-handed description. Additionally, this person, who happened to be Paula, after insulting everyone there, proceeded to contradict herself with her own statements and could offer no evidence to back her claims, nor offer any better alternatives in an intelligible dialog. She did manage to equate herself with a prophet though.</p>
<p>You guys may have had this script reviewed and memorized during your last analyst sacrifice to the E2 gods, but in our humble world, we&#8217;re a bit more diplomatic when spewing diatribe. We have an opinion to share, but before we do so we actually do some research and have it available to refer to for others to learn from. We listen to others&#8217; points of view and offer questions and rebuttal opinions. We don&#8217;t insult our peers, but offer respect for their views. We work off each others&#8217; expertise to craft new solutions to problems that we recognize exist.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think that any one of us, had we been engaged in a rational conversation, would have told you that everything we deal with is rock solid and works. That&#8217;s why we have the interaction that we do. Problems are anywhere one seeks to find them, but it&#8217;s something that we work to resolve as we go along. Just because you have decided to jump from the bridge and find that a reasonable solution to your problems doesn&#8217;t make it a justifiable fix for the rest of us. We just might happen to find value in what we do and maybe in the 20 years since you read your &#8220;come to Jesus&#8221; paper that no one but you knows anything about and you gave up on what you were doing&#8230;..just maybe we&#8217;ve made some advances that work.</p>
<p>The fact is, though, that we weren&#8217;t in a rational conversation. Paula, when you alienate everyone around you with your approach and come across strong arming us little stupid people, why would anyone want to listen to you? I&#8217;ll bet that you have some very valuable thoughts that any of us would have enjoyed hearing, but your delivery is atrocious. Laura is NOT someone that goes around shutting people up, but I can tell you that this particular conversation was over long before she shut it down, but the dialog was strained and VERY strange. She has an obligation to protect her own  domain and to ensure that conversation is reasonably professional. I&#8217;m not trying to be rude&#8230;really, but if you want to be heard, you can&#8217;t come across as someone that just escaped from an asylum. </p>
<p>You might work on your tact, collaboration and professional communication skills going forward. As a backwards-ass traditional analyst, those are part of the basic soft-skill analyst capabilities that I can see you have truly forgotten in your quest to become greater than the rest of us, which is sad because your message is then lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
		<link>http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/09/08/embracing-creative-dissonance/comment-page-1/#comment-241946</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula,

this episode reminds me of a turf-war among mafiosos or rival gang-members.  on one side you have the people who follow tradition because that is what always worked, and gosh-darn, it won&#039;t stop working now.  on the other hand, you have someone who found a better way to extract an extra $10 in protection money, and have the victims thank them -- but it goes against tradition.

here is the deal from my perspective: i don&#039;t have a time-proven, market-tested methodology on how to do an E2.0 project.  i am going to stick my neck out to get it chopped, but no one does.  we are learning as we go along, improving with every project.  sure, we have methodologies and templates, and MOs that work if adjusted to the current situation and that is what we are using.  we are trailblazing as we go along, with a pocket full of what does not work anymore so we won&#039;t repeat it.  there are, on the other side, people who don&#039;t believe us - who say that we are selling snake-oil.  sounds too good to be true - and with no proof (i think someone in the original post commented on an un-quotable article from 20 years ago as being too convenient) nevertheless.  no one will ever buy it.  forget it.

guess what? the world of business has changed and will continue to change.  you can chose to ignore your customers and continue to do things the way they always worked-- and it may be ok for a short time.  long-term, you are going to lose the war to your competitors who decided to go in a different direction.

so, if someone wants to tell me what i don&#039;t have 20 case studies to proof that what i am doing works - you are correct.  but i have 20 work-in-progress solutions in the market that are doing better than their competitors, adjusting their business, and happy with the results.  and feel they are ready for the future.

which one would you chose as a dynamic executive in a competitive market?

yeah, i thought so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula,</p>
<p>this episode reminds me of a turf-war among mafiosos or rival gang-members.  on one side you have the people who follow tradition because that is what always worked, and gosh-darn, it won&#8217;t stop working now.  on the other hand, you have someone who found a better way to extract an extra $10 in protection money, and have the victims thank them &#8212; but it goes against tradition.</p>
<p>here is the deal from my perspective: i don&#8217;t have a time-proven, market-tested methodology on how to do an E2.0 project.  i am going to stick my neck out to get it chopped, but no one does.  we are learning as we go along, improving with every project.  sure, we have methodologies and templates, and MOs that work if adjusted to the current situation and that is what we are using.  we are trailblazing as we go along, with a pocket full of what does not work anymore so we won&#8217;t repeat it.  there are, on the other side, people who don&#8217;t believe us &#8211; who say that we are selling snake-oil.  sounds too good to be true &#8211; and with no proof (i think someone in the original post commented on an un-quotable article from 20 years ago as being too convenient) nevertheless.  no one will ever buy it.  forget it.</p>
<p>guess what? the world of business has changed and will continue to change.  you can chose to ignore your customers and continue to do things the way they always worked&#8211; and it may be ok for a short time.  long-term, you are going to lose the war to your competitors who decided to go in a different direction.</p>
<p>so, if someone wants to tell me what i don&#8217;t have 20 case studies to proof that what i am doing works &#8211; you are correct.  but i have 20 work-in-progress solutions in the market that are doing better than their competitors, adjusting their business, and happy with the results.  and feel they are ready for the future.</p>
<p>which one would you chose as a dynamic executive in a competitive market?</p>
<p>yeah, i thought so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Brandau</title>
		<link>http://www.fastforwardblog.com/2009/09/08/embracing-creative-dissonance/comment-page-1/#comment-241931</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Brandau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the host that shut down the conversation, I&#039;d like to state that it was not difference of opinion nor a desire to sweep the points you were making under the rug that caused me to close comments. The conversation turned sour when you likened business analysts to those persecuted in Jerusalem. I didn&#039;t see this conversation going anywhere productive. As a good BA I encourage productive conversation but also facilitate around unproductive conversation.

If you&#039;d like to post an article laying out your position of how to approach a successful project (with or without requirements), I&#039;d be happy to host a thoughtful article stating your point of view on http://www.bridging-the-gap.com. 

Laura</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the host that shut down the conversation, I&#8217;d like to state that it was not difference of opinion nor a desire to sweep the points you were making under the rug that caused me to close comments. The conversation turned sour when you likened business analysts to those persecuted in Jerusalem. I didn&#8217;t see this conversation going anywhere productive. As a good BA I encourage productive conversation but also facilitate around unproductive conversation.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to post an article laying out your position of how to approach a successful project (with or without requirements), I&#8217;d be happy to host a thoughtful article stating your point of view on <a href="http://www.bridging-the-gap.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bridging-the-gap.com</a>. </p>
<p>Laura</p>
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