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		<title>The market IS a conversation &#8211; Why Kotex is winning vs Old Spice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Paterson</dc:creator>
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Who has not seen an Old Spice ad recently? The campaign has been a huge viral success. But while it has put the brand name to the front and got everyone talking about this being the new model, has the campaign done what it was meant to? has it increased sales and market share? The [...]]]></description>
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<p>Who has not seen an Old Spice ad recently? The campaign has been a huge viral success. But while it has put the brand name to the front and got everyone talking about this being the new model, has the campaign done what it was meant to? has it increased sales and market share? The short answer is that it appears that it has not. (<a href="http://industry.bnet.com/advertising/10007535/the-old-spice-guy-a-media-darling-has-a-dirty-secret-sales-are-down/">Bnet</a>)</p>
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<p style="margin-top: 15px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 15px;margin-left: 0px;font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;font-size: 13px;font-family: inherit;vertical-align: baseline;padding: 0px;border: 0px initial initial"><strong>Procter &amp; Gamble</strong> (PG) faces an unpleasant dilemma on its <strong>Old Spice</strong>brand: Its campaign — featuring an impossibly handsome man in a towel who tells women, “<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/OldSpice">So ladies, should your man smell like an Old Spice man? You tell me</a>” — is hugely popular but sales of the product are going down. The campaign reached a climax this week as the Old Spice Guy filmed more than 200 improvised videos replying to questions and requests from Twitter users. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/OldSpice#p/c/484F058C3EAF7FA6">Alyssa Milano, Rose McGowan, the Ellen Show and Perez Hilton were among those who got YouTube-ed replies</a>.</p>
<p style="margin-top: 15px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 15px;margin-left: 0px;font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;font-size: 13px;font-family: inherit;vertical-align: baseline;padding: 0px;border: 0px initial initial">But the shower-fresh brand has a dirty secret, as Brandweek notes:</p>
<p style="margin-top: 15px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 15px;margin-left: 0px;font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;font-size: 13px;font-family: inherit;vertical-align: baseline;padding: 0px;border: 0px initial initial">For instance, it was none other than P&amp;G that picked up the Film Grand Prix this year for Old Spice’s “The Man Your Man Could Smell Like” TV spot from Wieden + Kennedy. There is little doubt about the viral hit’s popularity. Launched in February, the official version has racked up nearly 12.2 million YouTube views.</p>
<p style="margin-top: 15px;margin-right: 0px;margin-bottom: 15px;margin-left: 0px;font-weight: inherit;font-style: inherit;font-size: 13px;font-family: inherit;vertical-align: baseline;padding: 0px;border: 0px initial initial">But sales of the featured product—Red Zone After Hours Body Wash—aren’t necessarily tracking with that consumer appeal: In the 52 weeks ended June 13, sales of the brand have dropped 7 percent according to SymphonyIRI. (That amount excludes those rung up at Walmart.) P&amp;G execs were not available to comment.</p>
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<p>* This view of the results is under challenge &#8211; they are not my numbers &#8211; please have a look at the end of this post for comment that suggests that the Old Spice Campaign may be doing much better</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">On the other hand, how much do you know about the Kotex campaign for U BY Kotex? Maybe you have not &#8211; you have missed some fun there too. But what they have done has worked. This is a new product and in less than 6 months it has reached an 8.3% market share in a mature market and it has not cannibalized the older Kotex brand. So what is the difference. Both had used very funny viral videos. What is the secret? I called on Jordan Miller who is the point person on the campaign and asked her this question.</span></p>
<p><img src="http://www.fastforwardblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Screen-shot-2010-07-27-at-7.28.04-AM-300x243.png" alt="Screen shot 2010-07-27 at 7.28.04 AM" width="300" height="243" /></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">At the heart of the Kotex Campaign is &#8220;Listening&#8221; and real conversation. The big idea was to take a taboo subject &#8211; periods &#8211; and offer up the support and the safe place where women and girls could help each other with advice and support. The funny videos were &#8216;Ice Breakers&#8221; and not an end in themselves. Their point was to make it easier to talk about a topic that even in our progressive time was off limits. The early videos also pointed fun at the old Kotex ads that had girls twirling in white swimsuits and where pads always had a blue liquid. If I have intrigued you <a href="http://www.ubykotex.com/get_real">go to this link</a> to see some videos &#8211; the ones that Kotex made and now also the ones that the public have made. </span></p>
<p><img src="http://www.fastforwardblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Screen-shot-2010-07-27-at-7.24.25-AM-300x223.png" alt="Screen shot 2010-07-27 at 7.24.25 AM" width="300" height="223" /></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">This Facebook snip says a lot. We see the taboo aspect of the topic and the fear. We can see that Kotex have made it safe to ask questions. We can see that Jordan Miller is personally on top of the site &#8211; she never seems to sleep! Many questions are answered personally.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">On the main site there is a panel of Experts, Mums and Peers that answer more generic questions.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">So what has happened? What has made this work?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">Simply, Kotex (Kimberly Clark) have seen through the viral fun aspect of social media &#8211; though they have pulled this aspect off very well &#8211; and got to the core. They have set up a space where it is safe to have a conversation on a topic where the silence has been deafening.  They have levelled the power by telling the truth about even themselves and laughed at how they used to talk about the issue and the product. All the video that they mock was their own old ads.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">Central is no pounding message about the product! But a focus on the people who have concerns about their periods. The Old Spice ad is really about Old Spice. The U By Kotex campaign is about you and people like you who share a common problem.</span></p>
<p>I asked Jordan what she thought was the secret and her answer was that the senior folks really believed that this was the way to go &#8211; &#8220;They are the best Client I have ever worked for&#8221;. It&#8217;s ironic that top level support is still pivotal now when the culture  is so opposed to letting go power.</p>
<p>And power has been let go. All organizations who go down this road are scared that someone will say the wrong thing. All sorts of safe guards are set up that risk reintroducing the corporate voice and slowing the pace down.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">Senior leaders gave up this control to their point person &#8211; Jordan. Who has been allowed to be very edgy on an edgy topic. The campaign is not run on a day by day basis by a committee but by one person who has a real voice and a rweal personality who is well known to all who participate.</span></p>
<p><img src="http://www.fastforwardblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Jordan_Miller_bio_pic-1-288x300.jpg" alt="Jordan_Miller_bio_pic (1)" width="288" height="300" /></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">For we know that we can&#8217;t have conversations with institutions but only with people. In my opinion this is the most important aspect of the entire campaign &#8211; the trust that Kotex put in a single person who has to participate in real time 24/7. There is no time to oversee and still be human. So the choice of who you pick is critical. The give up of power is critical. Not many organizations can make  this move but it is I think the key.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">So what next? Kimberly Clark have to go forward. Not only has the campaign been a technical success in that it has moved product &#8211; but more important they are now connected to a community of 1.4 million women who have found something important to them in the conversation. What a place to find yourselves in as an organization! No more twirling!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">So the &#8220;conversation&#8221; that we all need to have is not about your product or your service per se &#8211; but it is about your customers. What do they need to talk about? It&#8217;s not just about a funny viral video and being talked about. It is about having conversations about matters that are important to people.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">The &#8220;conversation&#8221; has to be hosted not by an impersonal institution but by a person who in turn has to be trusted not to let the organization down.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">&#8220;These markets are conversations. Their members communicate in language that is natural, open, honest, direct, funny and often shocking. Whether explaining or complaining, joking or serious, the human voice is unmistakably genuine. It can&#8217;t be faked.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.cluetrain.com/">Cluetrain</a>)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">This is not easy &#8211; everything we have learned to-date makes any of this hard.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">Later this week a story about Boingo &#8211; who have found some ways about how to make this easier to start.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.2px">PS </span></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-size: 12px">PS Ciaran McCabe contacted me to tell me that the Bnet news of falling sales for Old Spice is being challenged </span><span><span style="font-size: 9px"> </span></span></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px"><span> </span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-size: 12px">According to PR Week sales of the product increased over 100% last month. A piece in Forbes.com uses the same SymphonyIRI study to show that sales were up 7.9% from the previous year. At this time, there is no way to know which numbers are real and which are not. However, the -7% number still sounds fishy to me.&#8221;</span> Source:</span> <span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;line-height: normal;border-collapse: collapse;font-size: 15.6px"> The Ad Contrarian (Bob Hoffman, owner of </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;line-height: normal;border-collapse: collapse;font-size: 15.6px">SF ad agency Hoffman/Lewis)</span></p>
<p style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;line-height: normal;border-collapse: collapse;font-size: 15.6px">PPS from a Commentatin: Rob, love both of these campaigns and agree that the Kotex campaign should get way more credit and press, but people have got to STOP citing these SymphonyIRI numbers in reference to the Old Spice campaign. They measure the year ending June 13th, 2010, a full month BEFORE the viral/social aspect of the Old Spice campaign even started. Not only that, they include 7 full months of sales data BEFORE the tv even ran. I recognize you’re just quoting from other reporting, but you ought to stop and consider whether you should perpetuate the incorrect conclusion that a campaign isn’t working by including PRE-CAMPAIGN sales data as your evidence. And guess what else? According to sales data released by Nielsen in the last few days, the body wash sales are actually up 52% over 3 months and 107% over the last month. Let’s all wait and see data from AFTER the campaign ran before we start drawing conclusions. Seems to be that would be fair.</span></p>
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The other day I was driving with my 16-year-old at a certain speed down the highway. We needed to get her to her new job at the pizza parlor on time, and were making the usual desultory conversation along the way. She had opened her Macbook and started editing  photos taken earlier that day. [...]]]></description>
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<p>The other day I was driving with my 16-year-old at a certain speed down the highway. We needed to get her to her new job at the pizza parlor on time, and were making the usual desultory conversation along the way. She had opened her Macbook and started editing  photos taken earlier that day. She was also surfing six or seven radio stations looking for songs she liked, and texting three or four friends.</p>
<p>Suddenly her dispersed attention sort of gathered itself into a rising column of interest. Her neck craned, her body turned, her eyes peered intently as we passed what seemed to me to be a perfectly nondescript van.</p>
<p>&#8220;Did you see that?&#8221; she said excitedly, adding that the vanity plate said something about Elvis &#8212; I&#8217;d not noticed. She was peering intently into the van. I tried for a quick look, but entirely missed seeing the driver &#8212; a woman, according to my daughter, encumbered by one of those giant hairdos of yore, brilliantly blond, genus <em>fanatica</em>, species <em>elvisia, </em>ca. 1958.</p>
<p>All I saw was the van. All my kid saw was the Elvis attributes &#8212; Elvis happens to be one of her longest running crushes &#8212; on the license plate and inside. The thing is, given the way her attention had been deployed moments before, I have no idea how it pulled that particular bit of data from the parallel lines of traffic we were passing at 84 mph.</p>
<p>This jogged my memory of a theme surfacing at <a href="http://www.fastforward08.com/agenda.asp">FASTForward08</a>: How <a href="http://confusedofcalcutta.com/">JP Rangaswami</a>, <a href="http://www.growingupdigital.com/">Don Tapscott</a> and others had talked about how multi-tasked kids are, how their synapses seem to have been rewired to do things we can&#8217;t do.</p>
<p>We &#8212; ok, <em>I </em>&#8211; am of the generation of the single node receptor, the seemingly receptive eye/I, waiting idly to be served up something whole to look at, to take in. I turned off my TV off in 2000 and have not looked at it for more than 210 minutes <em>in toto</em> since; nevertheless, I remain a sort of virtual reclined potato, lying in wait for something to actively consume my vacancy.</p>
<p>My daughter and her peers are not like this. They seem constantly pre-occupied, moving between ongoing processes &#8212; mySpace, texting, photoshopping, searching &#8212; and yet, somehow, they catch more. Not &#8220;more&#8221; as in <em>all that is going on</em>, and perhaps more worryingly, not more as in <em>the big picture</em>. More within that ambiance that is vital and relevant to their current and ongoing passions and curiosity.</p>
<p>One other thing that seems worth noting: we Boomers are voice-oriented &#8212; we listen to voices, discourses, &#8220;messages,&#8221; till we grow utterly sick of them. Kids excel in tuning voices &#8212; and not just those of their parents &#8212; out, and in. They instead have selected conversations, not via the paths of the larynx, tongue and ear &#8212; exchanges proceeding against a silent, or music-filled, background. The &#8220;openness&#8221; of the couch potato is not their openness, but they aren&#8217;t closed, either. Just differently available.</p>
<p>To address this sort of optative &#8220;user,&#8221; a mode of address that attempts to fill up all the space with its active, grandstanding, vocal presence is probably not going to get far.</p>
<p>Something moving sidelong and not so showy &#8212; less big, less direct, less controlling &#8212; might be more suitable. Something decentered, linked to or associated indirectly to what is already moving them.</p>
<p>The battle-cry of this mode of address could be, <em>&#8220;It&#8217;s the metonymy, stupid!&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Where are these links to be found? In the messiness of what <a href="http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/">David Weinberger</a> calls the &#8220;unowned order&#8221; &#8212; the unpredictable realm of data and metadata, or, in his metaphor, amid the wild hedgerows before the topiarists arrive &#8212; the realm of advanced search.</p>
<p align="center">[photopress:topiary.jpg,thumb,pp_image]</p>
<p>I should mention that my five-year-old, who has not yet begun to surf, twit, or google, demonstrates thinking and attentional processes that are linear, Aristotelian, and complete. We have great old-fashioned conversations, as humans once did, in the wayback days. It&#8217;s pretty cool.</p>

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		<dc:creator>Rob Paterson</dc:creator>
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While millions watched the game. While millions watched the ads. Thousands were also at &#8220;TwitterBowl&#8221; &#8211; their &#8220;job&#8221; provide real time reaction to the ads &#8211; and also to have fun with each other by extending their SB parties to the world.
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<p>While millions watched the game. While millions watched the ads. Thousands were also at &#8220;TwitterBowl&#8221; &#8211; their &#8220;job&#8221; provide real time reaction to the ads &#8211; and also to have fun with each other by extending their SB parties to the world.</p>
<p>This is <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/02/02/hey-armchair-critics-rate-the-superbowl-ads-this-sunday-using-twitter/">how Jeremiah</a> framed it:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve created <a href="http://micromediameetup.pbwiki.com/FrontPage">MicroMedia events before</a>, this time, I want to frame it as an overlay to the multi million dollar advertising event, the Superbowl.</p>
<h2>[TwitterBowl is a real-time social experiment where the audience rates million dollar advertisements in real time using Twitter]</h2>
<p>Are you a superbowl ad critic? Of course you are, everyone is. Even if you don’t watch the superbowl, those pervasive ads will end up in YouTube, Digg, and your cousins blog and your best friends Facebook profile. Tired of others choosing which one was the funniest/stupidist/biggest waste of time? Well this year, you can rate your own superbowl ads using Twitter, and see what everyone else in Twitter thinks too.</p></blockquote>
<p>How did it go?</p>
<p>Check out the<a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/02/03/a-night-at-the-twitterbowl-successful-but-unwieldy/"> results here</a>. Please also look at the comments &#8211; they tell us even more.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>A recap and you can view all responses</strong><br />
The <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2008/02/02/hey-armchair-critics-rate-the-superbowl-ads-this-sunday-using-twitter/">social media experiment went</a> very well, there are over 2500 responses to the superbowlads account. I spent over an hour hand copying all the replies on that account <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=prwoXdDNZAlj6Rugy0ksMYQ&amp;hl=en">to this spreadsheet of all the responses</a>. This is a read only spreadsheet where you can do a search (let it load, it takes time) and see how people are talking about the different brands and the ads.</p>
<p>The twitter application held up ok, although many of the replies did not show up on the replies page in real time, you could use the search tools to quickly see what folks were saying.</p>
<p><strong>Massive Volume</strong><br />
It was pretty amazing, every time I refreshed the search tools (<a href="http://terraminds.com/twitter/query?query=superbowlads&amp;submit=search+in+updates">terraminds </a>or <a href="http://twittermap.com/search">twittersearch</a>), new responses would appear in rapid order. There were so many responses coming in, (about 625 per hour, or 10 every minute) it was really hard to keep track. I tried to summarize key findings (such as many folks liking X commercial or hating Y commercial), but it became difficult to track.</p>
<p><strong>Track your brand, or commercial</strong><br />
If you work for a company (or you have a client) that advertised on the superbowl, you should be doing searches using the twitter search tools, and add “superbowlads + brandname” to find out what people thought in real time. For example, I know the Dell blogger team is keen to knowing what we all thought, you can <a href="http://terraminds.com/twitter/query?query=superbowlads+dell&amp;submit=search+in+updates">check this query of superbowlads + dell</a> to see what folks rated it, it probally wasn’t as positive as they would have hoped.</p></blockquote>
<p>A land mark piece of work by <a href="http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/about/">Jeremiah Owyang</a>. Thanks to Tim Eby for the link</p>
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